1 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:14,430 [Music] 2 00:00:26,830 --> 00:00:23,860 this is Nick Redfern 3 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:26,840 tomorrow August the 3rd at the first UFO 4 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:29,930 hub event and I'm looking forward to it 5 00:00:34,570 --> 00:00:32,090 to me great events a lot of people 6 00:00:37,210 --> 00:00:34,580 coming along and a lot of variation as 7 00:00:39,250 --> 00:00:37,220 well in terms of the lectures and I 8 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:39,260 think more than anything else people 9 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:42,410 like to come to conferences it's a good 10 00:00:48,420 --> 00:00:44,690 way of meeting new friends but also 11 00:00:51,370 --> 00:00:48,430 getting a lot of data and information 12 00:00:54,130 --> 00:00:51,380 firsthand rather than you know getting 13 00:00:56,140 --> 00:00:54,140 it secondhand third-hand from a blog and 14 00:00:58,780 --> 00:00:56,150 I think people like that sort of 15 00:01:00,820 --> 00:00:58,790 hands-on approach so that's what we'll 16 00:01:03,490 --> 00:01:00,830 be doing tomorrow at Eureka Springs and 17 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:03,500 looking forward to it I'll be talking on 18 00:01:09,970 --> 00:01:06,110 two particular subjects one of them is 19 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:09,980 my area 51 book and also the one that's 20 00:01:14,470 --> 00:01:12,080 just come out which is flying saucers 21 00:01:17,260 --> 00:01:14,480 from the Kremlin and both books are 22 00:01:20,340 --> 00:01:17,270 actually very different but both of them 23 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:20,350 focus on conspiracy and UFOs and 24 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:22,550 cover-ups but in very different ways 25 00:01:29,650 --> 00:01:25,970 which which we can get to as far as the 26 00:01:33,340 --> 00:01:29,660 area 51 book is concerned it's kind of 27 00:01:36,670 --> 00:01:33,350 almost eerily timely because there was 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:36,680 this big news just recently about how a 29 00:01:44,890 --> 00:01:40,570 petition basically was put together to 30 00:01:48,940 --> 00:01:44,900 essentially encourage people to storm 31 00:01:51,220 --> 00:01:48,950 area 51 and try and sort of break the 32 00:01:53,950 --> 00:01:51,230 fence and and reach the base and see 33 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:53,960 what's going on there and the number of 34 00:01:59,500 --> 00:01:56,570 people who actually signed on to do this 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:01:59,510 was an incredible number of people but 36 00:02:05,770 --> 00:02:02,450 as far as I'm concerned I think it's 37 00:02:09,190 --> 00:02:05,780 dangerous it's stupid and if anybody 38 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:09,200 tries to do that in my view they deserve 39 00:02:15,550 --> 00:02:11,510 to get everything they get which is 40 00:02:19,509 --> 00:02:15,560 likely to be a jail sentence pretty 41 00:02:21,820 --> 00:02:19,519 large fine and you know just a feeling I 42 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:21,830 should not have done that and this there 43 00:02:27,820 --> 00:02:25,030 are several reasons why I say that 44 00:02:31,509 --> 00:02:27,830 despite the legend and the law that 45 00:02:35,069 --> 00:02:31,519 surrounds area 51 the fact is that is 46 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:35,079 one of the United States most powerful 47 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:37,910 secrets well protected 48 00:02:44,140 --> 00:02:41,570 military installation now in that sense 49 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:44,150 in many respects it's no different to 50 00:02:49,450 --> 00:02:46,910 any military base so if anybody tries to 51 00:02:51,910 --> 00:02:49,460 jump the fence at a military base in 52 00:02:53,650 --> 00:02:51,920 their hundreds and thousands well the 53 00:02:57,430 --> 00:02:53,660 government of course they're going to 54 00:02:59,530 --> 00:02:57,440 respond and respond quickly and and you 55 00:03:02,800 --> 00:02:59,540 cannot blame them for doing that because 56 00:03:04,870 --> 00:03:02,810 for all we know that some of those UFO 57 00:03:06,970 --> 00:03:04,880 researchers who might be thinking about 58 00:03:10,330 --> 00:03:06,980 doing that how do we know they're not 59 00:03:13,420 --> 00:03:10,340 from North Korea or China or Russia 60 00:03:14,980 --> 00:03:13,430 China blend in with the UFO researchers 61 00:03:18,910 --> 00:03:14,990 that would be the worst scenario 62 00:03:21,370 --> 00:03:18,920 possible so my view is that it's 63 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:21,380 reckless dangerous and nobody should be 64 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:24,590 trying to break into any US military 65 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:26,690 base because you're just asking for 66 00:03:32,650 --> 00:03:30,650 trouble so for me I think it's a 67 00:03:35,380 --> 00:03:32,660 dangerous thing I don't think anyone 68 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:35,390 should be doing it it's getting a lot of 69 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:38,510 publicity however and it will be 70 00:03:44,010 --> 00:03:41,090 intriguing to see what happens on the 71 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:44,020 day now the reason I say that is because 72 00:03:52,330 --> 00:03:48,880 area 51 the installation is built upon 73 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:52,340 this huge area the Nevada test and 74 00:03:58,450 --> 00:03:55,010 training range an area 51 is just one 75 00:04:00,490 --> 00:03:58,460 portion of the range so in other words 76 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:00,500 if you've got hundreds or thousands of 77 00:04:07,270 --> 00:04:03,820 people trying to get to the base 78 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:07,280 certainly actions going to be taken now 79 00:04:12,940 --> 00:04:10,370 on top of that there's the issue of 80 00:04:16,229 --> 00:04:12,950 which a lot of people don't realize is 81 00:04:19,030 --> 00:04:16,239 that even if you come to the the several 82 00:04:21,940 --> 00:04:19,040 sort of facilities where the guards all 83 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:21,950 wait around and turn people around even 84 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:24,170 if you were able to get past that you've 85 00:04:29,710 --> 00:04:26,570 still got like another 10 or 12 miles 86 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:29,720 before you actually reach what is really 87 00:04:39,820 --> 00:04:34,910 area 51 but you have sensor equipments 88 00:04:41,890 --> 00:04:39,830 night-vision equipments infrared you 89 00:04:43,060 --> 00:04:41,900 have ground technology that can actually 90 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:43,070 tell the difference between something 91 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:46,010 like a jackrabbit walking along the 92 00:04:51,219 --> 00:04:48,770 desert floor and a person so there 93 00:04:51,730 --> 00:04:51,229 really is no chance of trying to get 94 00:04:54,850 --> 00:04:51,740 into the 95 00:04:59,770 --> 00:04:54,860 at all and for me I just sort of see it 96 00:05:03,679 --> 00:04:59,780 as a publicity stunt but also I do think 97 00:05:08,899 --> 00:05:06,289 I kind of failed that on the day if 98 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:08,909 anything happens it would he would end 99 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:12,209 very badly for the UFO researchers but 100 00:05:16,819 --> 00:05:14,849 it would be their own fault I wouldn't 101 00:05:19,729 --> 00:05:16,829 have any sympathy in this day and time 102 00:05:22,009 --> 00:05:19,739 now as the world the world is I wouldn't 103 00:05:26,059 --> 00:05:22,019 have any sympathy for thousands of 104 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:26,069 people who try to invade a US military 105 00:05:30,829 --> 00:05:28,110 base I mean it would be it wouldn't be 106 00:05:33,529 --> 00:05:30,839 treated by oh it's just a bunch of UFO 107 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:33,539 researchers send them on the way it will 108 00:05:39,379 --> 00:05:36,649 be a major national security issue 109 00:05:43,249 --> 00:05:39,389 penetration of the most powerful most 110 00:05:46,019 --> 00:05:43,259 secret base in the u.s. it really would 111 00:05:50,069 --> 00:05:46,029 end very very badly 112 00:05:52,979 --> 00:05:50,079 the main reason why area 51 is so filled 113 00:05:56,189 --> 00:05:52,989 with intrigue is because it's the most 114 00:05:59,189 --> 00:05:56,199 well-guarded installation in the United 115 00:06:01,229 --> 00:05:59,199 States and yet the whole words actually 116 00:06:04,079 --> 00:06:01,239 heard of it you know and so it's a very 117 00:06:06,359 --> 00:06:04,089 strange situation very bizarre situation 118 00:06:09,479 --> 00:06:06,369 because there really is no military 119 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:09,489 facility in the United States that 120 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:13,360 guards the place the way that area 51 is 121 00:06:18,179 --> 00:06:15,610 guarded there's just nothing else like 122 00:06:21,629 --> 00:06:18,189 it and of course this begs the question 123 00:06:24,539 --> 00:06:21,639 why does area 51 need to be so 124 00:06:26,159 --> 00:06:24,549 well-guarded when you look at the other 125 00:06:28,789 --> 00:06:26,169 ones yes they're well guarded but 126 00:06:31,229 --> 00:06:28,799 certainly not to that degree so 127 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:31,239 inevitably it is sort of provoked 128 00:06:38,299 --> 00:06:34,089 theories well what's going on there if 129 00:06:41,069 --> 00:06:38,309 there's such coverage if there's such 130 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:41,079 surveillance and watching the public and 131 00:06:45,209 --> 00:06:43,209 UFO researchers there has to be 132 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:45,219 something to it and of course the big 133 00:06:50,459 --> 00:06:48,610 question is well what is to it and so 134 00:06:54,689 --> 00:06:50,469 that's sort of I've tried to look into 135 00:06:57,209 --> 00:06:54,699 and dig deep into the history and the 136 00:06:59,819 --> 00:06:57,219 work undertaken at area 51 137 00:07:03,029 --> 00:06:59,829 now a lot of people don't realize that 138 00:07:06,659 --> 00:07:03,039 the the beginnings of area 51 although 139 00:07:09,869 --> 00:07:06,669 they started in the early 1950s the idea 140 00:07:13,709 --> 00:07:09,879 of something like area 51 actually begun 141 00:07:16,739 --> 00:07:13,719 in the early 1940s and yet she goes back 142 00:07:20,699 --> 00:07:16,749 to Pearl Harbor the attack on Pearl 143 00:07:22,919 --> 00:07:20,709 Harbor Hawaii in December 1941 which was 144 00:07:26,129 --> 00:07:22,929 sort of up until that point that would 145 00:07:30,479 --> 00:07:26,139 till 9/11 that was the the most terrible 146 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:30,489 attack on US soil now the fact of the 147 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:33,969 situation is more than 3,000 people died 148 00:07:40,289 --> 00:07:37,209 was terrible situation and the US 149 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:40,299 government vowed that no one else would 150 00:07:47,369 --> 00:07:44,409 be able to attack the United States ever 151 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:47,379 again now the idea or the concept was or 152 00:07:53,489 --> 00:07:50,529 the problem with Hawaii was that the 153 00:07:55,919 --> 00:07:53,499 attack occurred because the Japanese 154 00:07:58,139 --> 00:07:55,929 were able to go under the radar and 155 00:07:59,790 --> 00:07:58,149 launch a sneak attack so the plan was 156 00:08:02,969 --> 00:07:59,800 from then onward 157 00:08:05,189 --> 00:08:02,979 never ever build a base like that so 158 00:08:07,589 --> 00:08:05,199 close to the waters to where it can be 159 00:08:11,610 --> 00:08:07,599 attacked almost immediately so the plan 160 00:08:14,999 --> 00:08:11,620 was to concentrate on building and 161 00:08:17,460 --> 00:08:15,009 constructing military facilities further 162 00:08:20,939 --> 00:08:17,470 inside the country so we would have a 163 00:08:22,649 --> 00:08:20,949 chance to realize that these aircraft 164 00:08:24,809 --> 00:08:22,659 were coming towards us and we'd have 165 00:08:27,990 --> 00:08:24,819 time to respond which was that that was 166 00:08:30,450 --> 00:08:28,000 the big problem with Pearl Harbor we 167 00:08:32,940 --> 00:08:30,460 didn't have time to respond because we 168 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:32,950 didn't realize what was happening now of 169 00:08:38,730 --> 00:08:35,110 course if you've got a secure military 170 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:38,740 base in the heart of Nevada we're gonna 171 00:08:43,769 --> 00:08:41,649 get word very very quickly that somebody 172 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:43,779 is coming closer and closer and we'd 173 00:08:48,019 --> 00:08:45,970 have a very good chance of actually 174 00:08:50,940 --> 00:08:48,029 blasting the enemy planes out of the sky 175 00:08:54,930 --> 00:08:50,950 so that was the reason why there was 176 00:08:57,780 --> 00:08:54,940 this decision to create a number of 177 00:09:00,780 --> 00:08:57,790 multiple military facilities out in the 178 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:00,790 Nevada desert in the early 1940s and 179 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:03,220 they're actually four or five that were 180 00:09:09,569 --> 00:09:06,370 built out in Nevada artillery ranges 181 00:09:13,740 --> 00:09:09,579 gunner ease things like that and by the 182 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:13,750 early 1950s that is when things really 183 00:09:21,329 --> 00:09:17,470 began in terms of creating the concept 184 00:09:26,490 --> 00:09:21,339 of building the ultimate military 185 00:09:28,310 --> 00:09:26,500 facility very secure the kind of 186 00:09:32,449 --> 00:09:28,320 installation that just cannot be 187 00:09:35,340 --> 00:09:32,459 penetrated surrounded by mountains and 188 00:09:37,860 --> 00:09:35,350 guards just about everywhere and the 189 00:09:39,780 --> 00:09:37,870 only people who can get in is the people 190 00:09:44,069 --> 00:09:39,790 who work there and certainly that's 191 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:44,079 still the case today now until the early 192 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:48,250 1980s not much was known and about area 193 00:09:54,449 --> 00:09:51,730 51 a even though aircraft like for 194 00:09:58,170 --> 00:09:54,459 example the u2 and the Blackbird spy 195 00:10:00,150 --> 00:09:58,180 planes even though they were test flown 196 00:10:03,900 --> 00:10:00,160 out there as were numerous other 197 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:03,910 aircraft the public didn't really know 198 00:10:08,250 --> 00:10:06,130 much about it you didn't see too much 199 00:10:10,769 --> 00:10:08,260 about it even written in aviation 200 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:10,779 magazines and books there was almost 201 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:12,370 within the government's and the 202 00:10:18,090 --> 00:10:13,600 relationship 203 00:10:20,940 --> 00:10:18,100 with sort of the media but to to not 204 00:10:24,060 --> 00:10:20,950 play up too much not to not emphasize 205 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:24,070 this secret place out in the desert and 206 00:10:32,490 --> 00:10:29,440 it really was in the 1980s that area 51 207 00:10:36,780 --> 00:10:32,500 became not just famous but infamous 208 00:10:39,930 --> 00:10:36,790 and this largely began thanks to a guy 209 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:39,940 named Bob Lazar now Bob Lazar was a guy 210 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:43,810 who came forward in 1988 and claimed 211 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:46,120 that he'd worked at one particular part 212 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:50,410 of area 51 called s4 and as I said 213 00:10:56,670 --> 00:10:53,920 earlier the whole area itself the Nevada 214 00:10:59,220 --> 00:10:56,680 test and training range is this gigantic 215 00:11:04,110 --> 00:10:59,230 place with multiple areas on its like 216 00:11:06,630 --> 00:11:04,120 area 51's for and so on and Lazar came 217 00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:06,640 out with this very bizarre and also 218 00:11:12,690 --> 00:11:09,820 extremely controversial story of having 219 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:12,700 worked out at s4 perhaps Lee what he 220 00:11:16,410 --> 00:11:14,530 said was a very short period of time 221 00:11:18,420 --> 00:11:16,420 people think it was months or years 222 00:11:21,210 --> 00:11:18,430 it literally may have been about sort of 223 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:21,220 six or seven weeks collectively but 224 00:11:28,590 --> 00:11:24,370 spread across a long a period of time 225 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:28,600 and according to Lazar he was hired to 226 00:11:34,770 --> 00:11:31,650 work on a program dealing with high tech 227 00:11:36,450 --> 00:11:34,780 technology and he was told you know this 228 00:11:39,270 --> 00:11:36,460 is something that you might have an 229 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:39,280 interested in and which was sort of you 230 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:42,670 know playing right into into his mind 231 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:47,890 and in Lazar it was interviewed and was 232 00:11:54,030 --> 00:11:50,080 told you know there's gonna be stringent 233 00:11:56,970 --> 00:11:54,040 background checks security that kind of 234 00:12:00,210 --> 00:11:56,980 thing but if you want to come on board 235 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:00,220 you're gonna see something amazing and I 236 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:02,110 imagine you know to begin with the 237 00:12:06,140 --> 00:12:04,570 thought was this you know Uncle Sam's 238 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:06,150 developed the ultimates 239 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:08,800 high-tech energy technology something 240 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:11,530 along those lines or or military you 241 00:12:17,310 --> 00:12:13,990 know technology that sort of thing when 242 00:12:19,710 --> 00:12:17,320 he got out there Lazar claimed but he 243 00:12:22,170 --> 00:12:19,720 saw a number of what you could only call 244 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:22,180 flying saucers that were disc shaped 245 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:27,130 aircraft and his first thought was well 246 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:30,130 Uncle Sam again has developed flying 247 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:32,770 saucers the US government has been 248 00:12:38,180 --> 00:12:35,050 responsible for the sightings of UFOs 249 00:12:41,910 --> 00:12:38,190 and it's not really aliens and so on and 250 00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:41,920 the the penny kind of drop so to speak 251 00:12:48,180 --> 00:12:45,040 for Lazar when he was shown the interior 252 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:48,190 of a couple of these craft out at s4 and 253 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:51,310 the seats were really small you know for 254 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:54,190 the really they would only seat kids of 255 00:12:59,520 --> 00:12:57,010 about three four or five years old you 256 00:13:02,940 --> 00:12:59,530 know they're very small seats and all 257 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:02,950 the equipment's inside the craft seem to 258 00:13:09,660 --> 00:13:06,250 be really small then he kind of realized 259 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:09,670 well hang on how could people fly these 260 00:13:15,570 --> 00:13:11,740 craft and the answer was well they 261 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:15,580 couldn't and when he was exposed to 262 00:13:20,790 --> 00:13:18,490 these craft he was also shown a large 263 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:20,800 number of briefing papers which 264 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:23,050 according to us are these briefing 265 00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:25,090 papers that he was given by the staff at 266 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:29,680 s4 essentially told of the history of 267 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:33,130 alien human interaction supposedly going 268 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:35,860 back thousands of years there were 269 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:39,210 stories in these files about how the 270 00:13:44,010 --> 00:13:41,530 extraterrestrials again thousands of 271 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:44,020 years ago maybe more than that had sort 272 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:46,360 of tinkered and manipulated the human 273 00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:49,990 race genetically to sort of upgrade us 274 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:54,190 from from apes if you like up to the 275 00:14:00,870 --> 00:13:56,880 present day so it was a very 276 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:00,880 controversial job interview I almost 277 00:14:06,210 --> 00:14:04,390 like a unique job interview which went 278 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:06,220 further than that when he was taken out 279 00:14:12,830 --> 00:14:09,400 to the base and and shown the technology 280 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:12,840 and allowed to read these documents now 281 00:14:19,530 --> 00:14:16,990 that in essence was the story the idea 282 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:19,540 that the US government or an elite group 283 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:22,930 out at s4 were back engineering or 284 00:14:28,410 --> 00:14:26,110 trying to back engineer alien technology 285 00:14:31,050 --> 00:14:28,420 but according to Lazar they weren't 286 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:31,060 having a very good job of it at all they 287 00:14:36,330 --> 00:14:33,310 just did not understand the technology 288 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:36,340 you know it's kind of as if you know a 289 00:14:40,510 --> 00:14:38,730 modern-day car was suddenly 290 00:14:45,220 --> 00:14:40,520 time-traveled back to the 291 00:14:47,410 --> 00:14:45,230 hundred you know you might find that the 292 00:14:50,050 --> 00:14:47,420 people of that area would understand 293 00:14:51,730 --> 00:14:50,060 well this is a vehicle it moves you know 294 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:51,740 kind of like a horse and cart and they 295 00:14:55,810 --> 00:14:54,050 could push it along and I'm sure if one 296 00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:55,820 of them sat inside and started to move 297 00:15:00,699 --> 00:14:58,730 the wheel they would realize by pushing 298 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:00,709 it and turning it you can go in 299 00:15:05,740 --> 00:15:03,290 different ways and maybe if there's a 300 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:05,750 key in there and they turn the key it 301 00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:08,060 would start the engine maybe they could 302 00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:11,950 even you know put it into gear and drive 303 00:15:18,699 --> 00:15:15,920 but if the most precious part of all the 304 00:15:21,340 --> 00:15:18,709 gas when it runs out they would have no 305 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:21,350 way to reproduce and replicate the gas 306 00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:24,050 so the car would just sit there and that 307 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:26,720 was kind of the situation which Lazar 308 00:15:33,730 --> 00:15:29,770 said was going on at area 51 and s4 that 309 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:33,740 the scientists there knew what they were 310 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:35,930 dealing with but they couldn't replicate 311 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:38,510 it they couldn't duplicate it they 312 00:15:44,829 --> 00:15:41,529 didn't know how to make the craft fly 313 00:15:47,290 --> 00:15:44,839 even though they knew the principles of 314 00:15:50,170 --> 00:15:47,300 it and so according to his are 315 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:50,180 periodically they brought people in to 316 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:52,850 look into this but really weren't 317 00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:55,250 getting far at all so sometimes they 318 00:15:58,810 --> 00:15:56,480 were bringing sort of maverick 319 00:16:02,800 --> 00:15:58,820 scientists who would think sort of think 320 00:16:04,780 --> 00:16:02,810 out of the box so to speak and but that 321 00:16:08,199 --> 00:16:04,790 was the thrust of it that the US 322 00:16:10,660 --> 00:16:08,209 government's had got UFOs on actually 323 00:16:12,910 --> 00:16:10,670 under unclear circumstances Lazar said 324 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:12,920 he was never actually told where these 325 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:16,010 craft came from and only one of them was 326 00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:18,529 had a sort of a noticeable dent in it 327 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:20,420 the rest of them were supposedly in 328 00:16:24,510 --> 00:16:22,310 extremely good condition they weren't 329 00:16:27,010 --> 00:16:24,520 like according to him they weren't like 330 00:16:29,650 --> 00:16:27,020 what you would find at Roswell you know 331 00:16:32,889 --> 00:16:29,660 this destroyed craft it was almost as if 332 00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:32,899 they'd been donated or landed and being 333 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:36,560 captured that kind of thing that was the 334 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:40,490 story and under an alias Lazar gave his 335 00:16:46,420 --> 00:16:43,010 story to George Knapp as a journalist 336 00:16:48,699 --> 00:16:46,430 working in Nevada and the story then got 337 00:16:52,060 --> 00:16:48,709 out and it spread within the UFO 338 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:52,070 community and culture and in no time 339 00:16:57,610 --> 00:16:54,410 Lazar was being invited 340 00:17:02,440 --> 00:16:57,620 on some of the talk shows on UFOs that 341 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:02,450 existed back in 88 89 articles were 342 00:17:07,650 --> 00:17:04,850 written about him people started doing 343 00:17:11,620 --> 00:17:07,660 background checks on him Tim good a 344 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:11,630 best-selling author covered the Lazar 345 00:17:18,130 --> 00:17:15,020 stories 1991 book alien liaison and 346 00:17:20,770 --> 00:17:18,140 covered it extensively and it really 347 00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:20,780 regardless of which side of the the 348 00:17:26,380 --> 00:17:23,839 story you're on there's no doubt that it 349 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:26,390 wasn't the government or the media that 350 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:30,830 really brought area 51 to the attention 351 00:17:35,290 --> 00:17:33,650 of people actually was Lazar regardless 352 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:35,300 as I said whether you buy into his story 353 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:39,610 or not now with in ufology you have 354 00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:42,280 pretty much three different scenarios 355 00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:46,160 one is the Lazar is absolutely telling 356 00:17:50,260 --> 00:17:46,880 the truth 357 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:50,270 another one is that he is a hoaxer and 358 00:17:55,810 --> 00:17:53,530 the third one is that he was hoaxed 359 00:17:57,700 --> 00:17:55,820 possibly to try and convince the 360 00:17:59,710 --> 00:17:57,710 Russians that we've got a lien 361 00:18:02,710 --> 00:17:59,720 technology and then they would hope 362 00:18:04,690 --> 00:18:02,720 Lazar would go public and then the you 363 00:18:08,170 --> 00:18:04,700 know people in the Kremlin Kremlin would 364 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:08,180 be oh my god you know out at area 51 365 00:18:13,630 --> 00:18:10,250 they've got a lien technology so those 366 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:13,640 are the three scenarios now a lot of 367 00:18:20,650 --> 00:18:16,610 people in ufology just write off Lazar 368 00:18:22,750 --> 00:18:20,660 as a as a hoaxer the late Stan Friedman 369 00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:22,760 who was you know involved in ufology for 370 00:18:29,790 --> 00:18:26,480 decades never mind just years Stan's 371 00:18:33,550 --> 00:18:29,800 actual words when Lazar came out with 372 00:18:36,730 --> 00:18:33,560 with his claims Stan said this is bunk 373 00:18:39,010 --> 00:18:36,740 bunk bunk and he said it three times he 374 00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:39,020 said this is garbage there's nothing to 375 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,500 it and to his dying day Stan believed 376 00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:44,720 that Lazar was not spreading 377 00:18:50,140 --> 00:18:46,880 disinformation was not telling the truth 378 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:50,150 Stan believed that Lazar was 379 00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:53,330 perpetrating a hoax now personally I 380 00:19:00,770 --> 00:18:57,320 actually don't think Lazar was hoaxing 381 00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:00,780 now I think 382 00:19:06,530 --> 00:19:03,660 the two scenarios either one is that 383 00:19:11,540 --> 00:19:06,540 there really are crashed or recovered 384 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:11,550 aliens and UFOs at area 51 or somebody 385 00:19:16,270 --> 00:19:14,370 wants us to believe that and perpetrated 386 00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,280 some sort of bizarre psychological 387 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:18,720 warfare operation disinformation 388 00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:22,230 operation at area 51 to frighten the 389 00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:23,940 Russians maybe the North Koreans the 390 00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:25,830 Chinese whoever and that there weren't 391 00:19:32,210 --> 00:19:28,320 any UFOs there but if we start with the 392 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:32,220 hoax angle why I don't think Lazar was a 393 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:34,050 hoax it was because he actually doesn't 394 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:38,720 operate and didn't operate like most 395 00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:42,240 hoaxes in ufology have done so I'll 396 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:45,000 explain what I mean by that a lot of 397 00:19:49,730 --> 00:19:48,030 people who have perpetrated hoaxes in 398 00:19:51,580 --> 00:19:49,740 ufology and unfortunately there have 399 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:51,590 been some over the years and the decades 400 00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:54,870 what they do well they'll write a book 401 00:19:59,660 --> 00:19:57,600 and it's just full of garbage and they 402 00:20:02,570 --> 00:19:59,670 go on the lecture circuit you know for a 403 00:20:06,020 --> 00:20:02,580 year maybe do 20 30 lectures they're 404 00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:06,030 selling dozens and dozens of books you 405 00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:08,040 know they're on TV they're promoting 406 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:10,260 things but it's all nonsense they've 407 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:13,470 made it up now what happens after the 408 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:17,760 initial publicity runs out suddenly they 409 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:20,010 come up with oh I've had some more 410 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:22,050 encounters the aliens have come back and 411 00:20:26,270 --> 00:20:23,970 taken me away again so what do they do 412 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:26,280 they write another book then which 413 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:28,770 allows them to go back on the lecture 414 00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:32,490 circuit again and sell them now that 415 00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,960 happened I won't say it happens all the 416 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:35,760 time but it has happened a lot 417 00:20:40,340 --> 00:20:37,980 unfortunately you know and that's that's 418 00:20:43,820 --> 00:20:40,350 one of the hazards of ufology there are 419 00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,830 people who who hoax things but typically 420 00:20:48,050 --> 00:20:45,840 eventually they're found out but they 421 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:48,060 always come back for more because they 422 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:50,010 just it's the lure of it it's like a 423 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:54,210 magnet now why I don't think Lazar was a 424 00:21:01,520 --> 00:20:58,290 hoaxer is because he did not act like a 425 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:01,530 hoaxer by that what I actually mean is 426 00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:05,610 that he never wrote a book never and you 427 00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:07,620 know when to publisher and and got a big 428 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:11,160 deal with them he did a few radio shows 429 00:21:16,770 --> 00:21:14,410 for people like George Knapp he 430 00:21:20,850 --> 00:21:16,780 was on a few lectures and conferences 431 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:20,860 and I do mean a few this was a man who 432 00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:23,440 if it was a hoax he would had to create 433 00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,480 an incredibly intricate story and yet he 434 00:21:32,910 --> 00:21:31,120 did nothing with it as I said he never 435 00:21:34,620 --> 00:21:32,920 wrote a book he never got a huge book 436 00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:34,630 deal which he certainly could have done 437 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:38,680 given the the scale of the situation 438 00:21:42,990 --> 00:21:40,810 that he was talking about but no books 439 00:21:46,670 --> 00:21:43,000 no lectures hardly no hardly any 440 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:46,680 conferences no TV shows no TV 441 00:21:55,410 --> 00:21:50,410 documentary nothing that that's not how 442 00:21:59,070 --> 00:21:55,420 a hoaxer operates hoaxes create hoaxes 443 00:22:02,640 --> 00:21:59,080 to gain something back Lazar got nothing 444 00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:02,650 back other than notoriety so that's why 445 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:05,920 I don't think he was a hoaxer I think 446 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:08,110 there's a possibility a strong 447 00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:12,130 possibility that he himself was sort of 448 00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:15,760 like the Patsy who was being used but 449 00:22:20,790 --> 00:22:18,640 Jackie Dee genuinely didn't realize he 450 00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:20,800 was being used and why I say that is 451 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:24,160 because it's a little-known issue that's 452 00:22:29,940 --> 00:22:26,710 on a number of occasions when Lazar went 453 00:22:31,530 --> 00:22:29,950 out to s4 did his work out there try to 454 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:31,540 understand the nature of the alien 455 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:34,630 technology and then next thing he would 456 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:38,200 know he'd be flying back to Vegas in one 457 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:39,490 of these small planes that they would 458 00:22:43,860 --> 00:22:40,690 fly him out with these blacked-out 459 00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:43,870 windows and he had significant memory 460 00:22:50,550 --> 00:22:47,500 loss of a number of days and he came to 461 00:22:53,070 --> 00:22:50,560 believe in that or suspect that in some 462 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:53,080 ways maybe his mind had been tampered 463 00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:55,930 with or hypnotized or you know sort of 464 00:23:02,040 --> 00:22:58,930 chemical technology to wipe out a couple 465 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:02,050 of days of what happened if that's the 466 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:04,450 case then that suggests to me that he 467 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:08,640 may well have been used in some sort of 468 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:13,480 incredibly weird and detailed ruse to 469 00:23:19,020 --> 00:23:16,510 make Lazar think he'd seen aliens think 470 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:19,030 it's an alien craft but to send a 471 00:23:24,030 --> 00:23:22,090 message to Russia that hey you know 472 00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:24,040 forget what you've got in your missile 473 00:23:28,289 --> 00:23:25,720 silos 474 00:23:31,259 --> 00:23:28,299 just think what we've got at area 51 and 475 00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:31,269 it's absolutely possible it could be 476 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:33,000 that's absolutely nothing 477 00:23:39,330 --> 00:23:36,490 extraterrestrial at area 51 but somebody 478 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:39,340 in the intelligence community sorely 479 00:23:43,499 --> 00:23:41,710 wants us to think there are and they 480 00:23:47,070 --> 00:23:43,509 want the Russians to think they are and 481 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:47,080 the North Koreans and the Chinese so I 482 00:23:52,409 --> 00:23:49,809 think we're in the situation today where 483 00:23:56,970 --> 00:23:52,419 it looks like they're extraterrestrials 484 00:23:58,860 --> 00:23:56,980 aliens UFOs and area 51 and maybe they 485 00:24:03,320 --> 00:23:58,870 really are maybe the stories are 486 00:24:07,049 --> 00:24:03,330 absolutely 100% true on the other hand 487 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:07,059 somebody possibly wants that to be the 488 00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:09,129 truth once us to believe that's the 489 00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:13,289 truth and I think the ease with which 490 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:16,480 Lazar was given the story and then 491 00:24:22,590 --> 00:24:19,330 allowed to spread it and nobody tried to 492 00:24:26,909 --> 00:24:22,600 stop him I think that is suspicious and 493 00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:26,919 to me it does kind of smack of the idea 494 00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:30,940 of Lazar being kind of a puppet being 495 00:24:37,379 --> 00:24:35,769 used in some odd situation but what is 496 00:24:40,289 --> 00:24:37,389 particularly intriguing I have to admit 497 00:24:42,930 --> 00:24:40,299 is that after Lazar surfaced I know a 498 00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:42,940 lot of other people surfaced all 499 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:45,659 claiming to have worked at area 51 and 500 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:49,450 on the Nelly's test range and to have 501 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:52,330 have knowledge of UFOs and some of these 502 00:24:58,889 --> 00:24:54,610 people their backgrounds you know they 503 00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:58,899 were able to prove who they were so the 504 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:02,159 whole thing is very very confusing 505 00:25:08,190 --> 00:25:05,289 there's sort of multiple levels of is 506 00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:08,200 this true is this disinformation is it 507 00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:13,740 I guess the frustrating thing for the 508 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:16,900 UFO research community is that we're 509 00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:19,210 actually still very much in the same 510 00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:24,120 situation today as we were in 88 and 89 511 00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:28,240 with night with Bob Lazar then and also 512 00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:30,100 for example with Tim good who wrote 513 00:25:36,210 --> 00:25:34,030 alien liaison in 1991 the story that 514 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:36,220 Lazar tells today's are still still the 515 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:40,170 same one he told Tim good in 1991 so 516 00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:43,570 nothing has changed nothing has really 517 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:46,960 come forward where we can say you know 518 00:25:51,980 --> 00:25:48,730 we've really got something that we can 519 00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:51,990 nail down and this is the smoking gun 520 00:25:57,900 --> 00:25:55,360 it's still not reached that at all - 521 00:26:00,480 --> 00:25:57,910 Dave and you still got well I think Bob 522 00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:00,490 Lazar is a hoax well I think Bob Lazar 523 00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:04,540 is telling the truth and it's amazing 524 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:07,840 how that story has legs you know and the 525 00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:11,049 legs are still moving and we're still 526 00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:14,230 asking the question did Bob Lazar really 527 00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:19,480 see alien spacecraft at area 51 so for 528 00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:22,169 me that's one of the main reasons why 529 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:25,150 it's such an intriguing place almost a 530 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:28,330 magical place because it's settled in 531 00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:31,090 the middle of nowhere no one can get 532 00:26:36,990 --> 00:26:33,700 into it and if the stories are true 533 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:37,000 there's extraterrestrial technology and 534 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:39,990 possibly even creatures out there and 535 00:26:48,409 --> 00:26:44,049 the world isn't being told about it or 536 00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:48,419 you know is it just somebody's mind game 537 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:50,830 governments play mind games for all 538 00:26:59,020 --> 00:26:55,610 sorts of bizarre reasons so for me 539 00:27:01,300 --> 00:26:59,030 it's it's like a ride down it's almost 540 00:27:04,420 --> 00:27:01,310 like you know The Wizard of Oz are you 541 00:27:06,670 --> 00:27:04,430 going to this magical world almost where 542 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:06,680 you just don't know what is reality 543 00:27:12,930 --> 00:27:10,850 and what isn't and I think that's where 544 00:27:17,230 --> 00:27:12,940 we're at and I hope the situation 545 00:27:20,170 --> 00:27:17,240 changes one day but right now the 546 00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:20,180 mystique is still there and mystique 547 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:23,600 attracts people but what we need are 548 00:27:29,860 --> 00:27:25,030 answers 549 00:27:32,380 --> 00:27:29,870 although area 51 is primarily connected 550 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:32,390 to the UFO subject it actually has a 551 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:36,290 long history of test-flying very very 552 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:40,250 secretly some of the earliest spy planes 553 00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:43,010 like through the 1950s and 60s like the 554 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:46,550 you to which spied over Russia the 555 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:49,330 Blackbird but also some unacknowledged 556 00:27:56,290 --> 00:27:53,210 aircraft there were rumors back in the 557 00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:56,300 late 80s and early 90s that a strange 558 00:28:00,880 --> 00:27:58,130 aircraft called the or Drori 559 00:28:03,490 --> 00:28:00,890 was being test flown out there and the 560 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:03,500 aurora was described by many people as 561 00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:06,650 like a black triangular shaped aircraft 562 00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:09,500 there are even more controversial rumors 563 00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:13,460 that the Aurora could fly to incredible 564 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:16,580 speeds it could hover almost on a dime 565 00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:19,730 what's particularly intriguing is that 566 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:23,600 in the 1980s a wave of sightings of 567 00:28:30,190 --> 00:28:27,110 black triangular aircraft did begin 568 00:28:33,130 --> 00:28:30,200 across the United States and spread to 569 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:33,140 the UK and to Belgium and all over the 570 00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:37,370 place and these things were clearly far 571 00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:40,310 more advanced than the black triangular 572 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:42,590 stealth fighter and stealth bomber that 573 00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:44,600 we have today everybody seen them they 574 00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:47,240 look really weird and if you'd seen them 575 00:28:51,670 --> 00:28:49,190 before they were actually you know 576 00:28:54,370 --> 00:28:51,680 rolled off the the board so to speak you 577 00:28:57,670 --> 00:28:54,380 might think they were UFOs but according 578 00:29:00,970 --> 00:28:57,680 to what the insiders were saying the or 579 00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,980 rora was far more advanced than the 580 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:02,720 stealth fighter and the stealth bomber 581 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:05,930 they were described as very large black 582 00:29:12,850 --> 00:29:09,530 triangular aircraft flying incomplete as 583 00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:12,860 Islands possibly even flying it's at 584 00:29:19,150 --> 00:29:15,950 speeds as low as at 20 miles an hour 585 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:19,160 which is incredible you know if we do 586 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:22,250 have that technology so this particular 587 00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:24,860 issue of these so-called black triangles 588 00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:28,150 the Aurora that is one of the sort of 589 00:29:34,390 --> 00:29:31,270 equally important and significant 590 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:34,400 aspects of what may be going on at area 591 00:29:42,250 --> 00:29:38,570 51 which is certainly as important as 592 00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:42,260 the story that Bob Lazar told over the 593 00:29:47,290 --> 00:29:43,910 last few years a number of photographs 594 00:29:50,650 --> 00:29:47,300 are being taken from spy planes and 595 00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,660 high-flying aircraft of the of area 51 596 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:52,880 and if you look a lot of these 597 00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:55,250 photographs they don't actually show too 598 00:30:03,100 --> 00:29:58,910 much other than a number of hangars and 599 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,110 a couple of long runways now given the 600 00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:05,360 security surrounding it and we know that 601 00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:07,400 thousands of people work there the big 602 00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:09,500 question is well how could he just look 603 00:30:16,090 --> 00:30:13,220 like a few hangars and a few runways out 604 00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:16,100 of the desert well the answer is most of 605 00:30:21,970 --> 00:30:17,990 the work that actually goes on at area 606 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:21,980 51 goes on underground even Bob Lazar 607 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:25,040 said for example at s4 where he worked 608 00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,850 he said that s4 itself was not sort of 609 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:31,520 out in the desert it was actually sort 610 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:33,710 of buried in sort of like a hollowed 611 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:36,530 part of one of the mountains so if you 612 00:30:41,140 --> 00:30:38,170 were the Russians with a spy satellite 613 00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,150 flying over Nevada which hack which 614 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:44,240 actually does happen the Russians would 615 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:46,190 not be able to say anything other than 616 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:48,350 the mountain because all the work would 617 00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:51,410 be inside and it's kind of similar in 618 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:53,780 the sense that at area 51 most of the 619 00:30:58,750 --> 00:30:56,690 work is done on multiple levels for a 620 00:31:02,080 --> 00:30:58,760 four five six levels we don't really 621 00:31:05,170 --> 00:31:02,090 know how many but we could be looking at 622 00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:05,180 hollowed out facilities perhaps going 623 00:31:11,410 --> 00:31:08,750 down three four hundred feet and that's 624 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:11,420 where the work is done and a lot of the 625 00:31:17,410 --> 00:31:14,090 sensitive material is held and of course 626 00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:17,420 there's no way to know exactly what's 627 00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:19,400 going on there unless you really happen 628 00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:21,179 to work there 629 00:31:28,729 --> 00:31:24,299 after all the research I've done into 630 00:31:31,249 --> 00:31:28,739 area 51 what I've come to conclude when 631 00:31:31,999 --> 00:31:31,259 it comes to all of this is that well we 632 00:31:35,209 --> 00:31:32,009 know yes 633 00:31:38,209 --> 00:31:35,219 area 51 exists we know it's the most 634 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:38,219 guarded military facility in the entire 635 00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:42,690 United States but we don't know why we 636 00:31:48,709 --> 00:31:47,039 also know that historically area 51 was 637 00:31:51,829 --> 00:31:48,719 where some of the most advanced 638 00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:51,839 high-flying spy planes were tested in 639 00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:55,710 deep secrecy we also know that area 51 640 00:32:02,869 --> 00:31:59,460 has become certainly the most infamous 641 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:02,879 base in the world because of its 642 00:32:09,709 --> 00:32:07,289 associations with UFOs and we've got a 643 00:32:12,829 --> 00:32:09,719 lot of information we've got a lot of 644 00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:12,839 witnesses coming forward the big thing 645 00:32:19,879 --> 00:32:15,929 we need now is evidence and I would hope 646 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:19,889 at some points evidence will come out to 647 00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:22,769 demonstrate what is actually going on 648 00:32:30,229 --> 00:32:26,820 there in relation to UFOs and let's 649 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:30,239 finally see it all and I'm quite sure 650 00:32:37,009 --> 00:32:33,570 the public can take it if people are 651 00:32:39,019 --> 00:32:37,019 interested in reading my area51 book you